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Discussion 1 to Talk Back 64: Statements of belief are not the same as evidence

by: Julie DiMauro

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I am very interested to see how one may determine a plant's consciousness of self. It is even debatable that such animal organisms as, say, earthworms, for example, could be said to have a self-awareness.

If spirituality falls outside the realm of science, then I fail to see how "spiritual science" is a science at all. I have not read nearly enough of the Vedas to comment on their content, but I would like an explanation of just what "spiritual science" is thought to entail.

"In our original pure state, we are conscious of our eternal identity in relationship to God. Now our consciousness is absorbed in matter, and we think we are whatever body we inhabit at the moment."

I do recognize the above sentiment as Vedantic in its view of the physical world as illusion, and the spiritual as the real. However, you have provided no reason for one to believe that, in one's "pure" state, one intrinsically knows God. The mere statement of Vedantic belief is no more compelling to a nonbeliever than the Christians' assertion that one opened one's heart to Christ, then one would be sure that Christ is truth.

I have never found a reason to believe that I am not one with the body which I inhabit. That being the case, since this is the body I will inhabit for my lifetime, and this world, in turn, is the world in which my body will inhabit, practicality urges me to care more about this world around me than what happens after death. It makes more sense to me, as a humanist, to address and combat causes of suffering in this world -- to treat concrete, everyday experience as reality, and to function within and affect that reality. I have no evidence to the contrary (and belief in the experience of God is not evidence.)

Finally, in Meditation 356, Mr. Tyrrell discusses how "past life" experiences are not necessarily proof of anything besides the complexity of human psychology.

So, while I respect your philosophical viewpoint, I do want to point out that statements of belief are not the same as evidence for a soul or an afterlife.